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Posted - 2015.02.16 06:45:09 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I hate to be flippant about the topic, but the title of the article is correct: CCP declared war on the impossible and almost lost.
There is nothing wrong with the concept of WIS, the implementation of the system was awful enough to stop CCP dead in its tracks. Most companies are reticent to repeat previous mistakes and I doubt CCP will be keen to touch that hornets nest until they know their bottom line is secure for another few years.
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Posted - 2015.02.16 06:49:08 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters: 1) Role-Players  2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough.  3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves!  ) Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts. (Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol)  It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense. Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued.
How much extra wok does a graphics card have to do if there are two avatars in the same captains quarters?
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Posted - 2015.02.17 07:11:21 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Imagine standing in a half circle, with your friends, around your CEO with his carrier floating in the bay behind him, while you are having a voice comms corp meeting. (Seeing your inner circle that can be loaded safely in one CQ) 
But 200 people won't fit inside a CQ. 6000 people can fit in teamspeak.
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Posted - 2015.02.18 22:11:22 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Baneken wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Imagine standing in a half circle, with your friends, around your CEO with his carrier floating in the bay behind him, while you are having a voice comms corp meeting. (Seeing your inner circle that can be loaded safely in one CQ)  But 200 people won't fit inside a CQ. 6000 people can fit in teamspeak. Then it would be like the real political party where only the selected few are ever chosen to attend the fund raisers and the rest who do all the ground work never see the man in person. Hence, the inner circle comment. 
Do you really think that the leaders of any game alliance/coalition want to all log in, relocate to the same station, accept invites to enter a CQ more than once?
I can understand the novelty of an alliance "inner circle" selfie shot once. But screw the effort when everything can be done via external applications much more efficiently. |

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Posted - 2015.02.19 20:30:35 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Abrazzar wrote:We raised a riot, shot up the Jita monument and convinced CCP to drop development of non-space content in favour of fixing existing issues and reiterating on abandoned features. The end result was that we've still got the micro transactions without any of the cool content promised. What a success!!
The end result is more likely that Eve Online exists |

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Posted - 2015.07.26 21:24:29 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Stuff like: player A serves food to player B, which eats too much and grows fat and buys new clothes from player C or gets a clone resculpt from Player D.
WTF does any of that have to do with spacecraft?
If you eat too much your warp speed is penalised. If you continue to eat too much you are unable to board frigates. If you don't eat enough your ships agility suffers and there is a ramdomized delay to module activations which increases until you black out. |

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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:16:41 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Misconceptions here:
1 that CCP allocated resources from EvE to WIS depriving EvE of resources.
2 that a poor implementation on an idea means the idea was bad.
3 that the "majority of players didn't want WIS"
While you may be right on items 2 and 3, item 1 is not a misconception, CCP blew at least 18 months of development time on WIS which would have been far better spent to fix what was broken in the base game of FIS. People wanted the WIS they had been promised, not what was delivered. Perhaps however that's dependent on 1 whether CCP allocated additional resources 2 whether those resources would hav been diverted to dust instead of WIS My experience with project management would suggest it's likely additional resources were acquired to work on WIS and had WIS not been on the agenda those resources likely would not have been obtained in the first place. CCP might operate differently so I might be wrong.
You do not remember the 18 months thread naught? Soon tm. |

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Posted - 2015.07.31 03:26:10 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: My experience with project management
He's added a new skill, folks. Pretty diverse education for a bar bouncer. I have three college degrees now, and I don't have anything close to all the skills he's fabricated for himself. Do you have your PMP (prounounced pimp) certificate? Which testing center did you get it at? Did you read the PMBOK, or take a class for it? Oh, and you're hilariously wrong. Good project management experts don't think that you can just generate development resources and personnel out of thin air, like you're claiming. Your stakeholders would have shat themselves on the spot if you proposed such a thing. Oh, and speaking of project management. You are an excellent argument for McGregor's Theory X. Just saying. Everyone should be a project manager. Useful life skill. One allocates and deallocates resources as they are needed / no longer required. Moving less than ideal staff and already allocated funds from one project to another is not good management.
Swimming is a life skill. Project management is a career path. Managing one's personal affairs does not qualify one to call themselves a project manager any more than managing my cash on a night out on the town qualifies me to call myself an accoutant, or when I cook dinner to call myself a chef, or when I cross the road a safety and health inspector.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:19:54 -
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Quote:As of August 17th, there will be about nine teams working on Incarna. Of those, seven are on loan from other projects - to which they will return once Incarna is launched - and the remainder are EVE development teams. The EVE teams can work on both Incarna and in-space features, but they are assigned to Incarna for now. Actually one of the teams is spending one and a half releases on Incarna, the other about three releases. So the resource cost from EVE is very contained while the size and impact of the feature will be massive.
That quote is CCP Zulu from this blog |

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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:35:18 -
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The massive feature Zulu is talking up, got downplayed just prior to incarna's release. Like many things involving CCP it became phase one. Like many others when my graphics card running temperature climbed dramatically in that little room with a locked door to nowhere, I was bitterly disappointed with work that nine teams had done over a period of 18 months. |
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Quote:As of August 17th, there will be about nine teams working on Incarna. Of those, seven are on loan from other projects - to which they will return once Incarna is launched - and the remainder are EVE development teams. The EVE teams can work on both Incarna and in-space features, but they are assigned to Incarna for now. Actually one of the teams is spending one and a half releases on Incarna, the other about three releases. So the resource cost from EVE is very contained while the size and impact of the feature will be massive. That quote is CCP Zulu from this blog WIS not Incarna. Aside from WIS Incarna included updates to graphics, ships, modules, UI, drones, missions.... it's a very long list incarna patch notes
1. Surely you are trolling. The walking in stations expansion for Eve Online was named Incarna.
Quote:Captain's Quarters
A new 3D user interface has been built to support interaction with Captain's Quarters features. The station hangar has been replaced with Captain's Quarters. Capsuleers can now, for the first time, step out of their pod and stretch their legs in their personal quarters. Please check out this dev blog by CCP Zulu for more information. Captain's Quarters include the hangar balcony, where one can enjoy a gorgeous view of one's active ship in the hangar. The main screen provides information about things happening in the EVE universe, including sovereignty changes, the Interstellar Correspondents News Feed, incursions and more - stay tuned. The Captain's Quarters have tools that will make life for the capsuleer much easier, including the agent finder, corporation recruitment, planetary interaction, character re-customization and ship fitting. A new camera system was built from the ground up to support avatar movement and various state transitions. An extensive avatar movement scheme using Natural Motion's Morpheme has been developed to control your character. This includes an eight directional movement scheme accessible via keyboard controls, click-to-move and mouse movement. Separate keyboard shortcuts for Captain's Quarters and flying-inGÇôspace, as well as a number of options for customizing the walking-in-station camera, have been added to the ESC menu.
2. How did you miss that?
3. I don't like being trolled locator agents activated. |

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Posted - 2015.07.31 06:13:00 -
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I have read those notes numerous times. There was hardly anything FIS related stuff in there.
As you are a 2013 player who is used to the 6 week development and does not have experience with the winter/summer cycles. I can see how you think there was a "crapload of EvE related stuff. You should read the patch notes for Dominion, Apocraphya etc. |

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Lucas Kell wrote:His point is that's not all Incarna was. You guys hear Incarna and think CQ. I hear it and think No more multi JBs! Travel is ruined! Somebody working on "Incarna" was doing things that didn't involve the CQ.
Apparently you didn't notice all of the changes going in over that 18 month period, like the Tyrannis and Incursion expansions. It's like 20 patches and 2 expansions within that timeframe, yet you people seem to think that the only thing that happened was WiS.
Compared to Revelations, Trinity, Empyrean Age, Apocraphya and Dominion, Tyrannis and Incarna offered very little in the way of spaceship flight. CCP warned us that that would be the case, and promised that Incarna would be fantastic. They delivered on little for FIS pilots and failed to deliver the games, meeting rooms and chance for character conflict they talked up for WIS.
You can keep talking up Tyrannis and the other "20 patches", personally I was not very impressed with Eve Gate, these forums, ingame calendar or the charcater creater (which was prep work for Incarna) etc.
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Kuronaga wrote:Wasn't really a lack of content that killed Incarna as it was a lack of content, plus breaking the game, plus internal news letter threatening to break the game further.
Really, there was a lot of emotion going on in those times but it wasn't simply because flying content was taking a small break. That was merely the pebble that summoned the avalanche.
Oh definitely. I completely agree. My posts over the last page have focused solely on one aspect that Infinity Ziona claimed an unvalidated level of expertise in.
I was personally disappointed with lack of FIS, but happy to see Eve develop WIS. I felt betrayed when the actuality was so divergent from their promises. I was very frustrated that the WIS they did deliver just detracted from ease of spaceship flight. I was confused by the monacle prices. The newsletter made me bitter. Would I mind if WIS was developed? No. I'd be happy to see something new along that line. Do I trust CCP to deliver WIS in a meaningful way. No ******* way. |

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Lucas Kell wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Compared to Revelations, Trinity, Empyrean Age, Apocraphya and Dominion, Tyrannis and Incarna offered very little in the way of spaceship flight. CCP warned us that that would be the case, and promised that Incarna would be fantastic. They delivered on little for FIS pilots and failed to deliver the games, meeting rooms and chance for character conflict they talked up for WIS.
You can keep talking up Tyrannis and the other "20 patches", personally I was not very impressed with Eve Gate, these forums, ingame calendar or the charcater creater (which was prep work for Incarna) etc. I disagree, there were heaps of features. Less than some other expansions? Sure, significantly so? No. Effectively what you're saying here is you didn't particularly like the features they added in those expansions, therefore they didn't exist. Bear in mind that there are less people working on EVE FiS content now than there were during Incarna because they've laid loads of them off.
Name these Tyrannis features I have overlooked.
Yes there are a lot less CCP employees now because CCP borrowed money to make WoD, Dust and WIS along with future development of Eve Online. When things went pear shaped in 2011 it was assured that a large number would be laid off. Another reason not to trust them to attempt to do more WIS stuff now.
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Posted - 2015.07.31 22:25:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Some people paint landscapes while I take photographs of them.
And now he's a photographer too. 
Now, now he never said that, he just said he takes photos.
Not very good ones though as one normally dedicates more than "less than a second" to composition, light metering and exposure selection.
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:.... Some people paint landscapes while I take photographs of them. They take hours to days while mine take less than a second. My way is obviously better right? LOL. Because, context in situations. You really need to get some perspective. Quote:analogy +Ö-ênal+Öd-Æi/ noun noun: analogy; plural noun: analogies a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. You are welcome. 
Think that was understood. His point was the particular analogy chosen was so far removed it did nothing to clarify or explain. |

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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:... His point was the particular analogy chosen was so far removed it did nothing to clarify or explain. The divide was a dainty skip. If you think that is far removed then you have not been in the company of truly intelligent people. (I have had the experience with only one group, consistently, where by the time I have made the connections between two things that were said and then the third, the conversation had moved on so far that I was multiple topics behind. (Certainly not these forums, hurr hurr.))
A personal insult that misses the mark. It is great to see the Jenshae I remember from 2011 resurfacing. For the record cognitive association in general conversation is not the measure of true intelligence. It can be used as a measure of a type of intelligence, although those measures become some what skewed when one compares control subjects to those who are under the effects of LSD. |

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Posted - 2015.08.01 03:14:44 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:... For the record cognitive association in general conversation is not the measure of true intelligence.... Wrong granny to start teaching to suck eggs. 
I am merely replying in kind.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Desslok VonReich wrote:Wow. Pages of "WiS is good/bad", "Burn Jita was about this/that", and lots of personal attacks.
And not a single post with new, compelling, solid gameplay for WiS. And absolutely nothing that would actually be an immersive capsuleer experience.
Capsuleers have all the promise that trans-humanism can offer and the best you all come up with is sitting at a bar for a drink or playing cards?
You have the ability to transfer consciousness at will, and the psychological ability to feel comfortable in non-humanoid bodies (ie, giant metal space death machines). And your game play is sitting on a bar stool. Sad. More than that, it's the small thinking of small people.
Since capusleers are no longer bound by the limitations, or even the very form of human flesh, how about this as an example. Dinosaurs. Or tanks. Actually, make them dinosaur tanks. Deathmatch dinosaur tanks. That would be a lot more interesting to gamble on than blackjack.
Now stop thinking like planet bound peasants and start thinking like the god machines you are.
Welcome, noob. You don't know what was discussed when it was the time to discuss ways in which CCP could save Incarna. More importantly, you weren't here taking a endless barrage of flak form every troll in the forums for two years, until it was made evident that CCP had abandoned WiS forever. We don't care about your megalomania. I personally have dreams so big that you'd squint the eyes if you realized what they involve... But so far, CCP doesn't wants to let us share our CQ with another character, despite how that code exists and was being tested 3 years ago. Capsuleers as dinosaurs, you say. CCP is not willing not even to release a few clothes...
Quoting for posterity. Loving the lore.
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